Psychiatry Professor: Trump Appears Hypomanic, Suffering IQ Loss

Psychiatry Professor: Trump Appears Hypomanic, Suffering IQ Loss


It’s great to welcome to the program today.
Back to the program. I should say, Dr. John Gardner, founder of duty to warn co editor
of rocket man and nuclear madness and the mind of Donald Trump. Uh, he taught in the
department of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins medical center for 28 years. John, great to
have you back on today. Great to be back. I really enjoyed being on
the show. So listen, I don’t even know where to start
because since you were last on it, you know, you’ve been tracking what is a, um, a concerning
behavior by the president of the United States from a mental health perspective. We had this
unexpected visit to Walter Reed hospital in November. Uh, we don’t have any particular
reason to think that it was mental health or cognitive related specifically, but we
don’t really have a very clear answer as to why he did go. The idea that it was getting
a jump on next year’s physical is hard to believe at best. Um, what, what are you seeing
over the last few months? How much have you been looking at this Walter Reed thing? Well, actually, uh, go to the Walter Reed
thing. I have a theory about this based on no facts, although apparently it was reported
that he had reported some kind of chest pains, um, that had been reported. I don’t know if
it’d been verified. I saw that it was speculated and denied by
the white house, but their denials don’t mean very much. Don’t mean anything. Right. Oh, what they
deny, they confirm in most cases. Um, but, uh, actually given his a fast food diet and
as being overweight and as being high on the cholesterol, that’s not unsurprising, but
actually a lot of people don’t realize this, but chest pains is one of the most common
presentations at an emergency room. And 90% of the time it’s a panic attack. Right. So
all of this started when the impeachment stuff started heating up. So my theory based, I
guess I say on speculation is he may have experienced chest pains as his presenting
problem, but really he was having a panic attack actually, if he was having a panic
attack, that might be the most reality centered thing that he’s done. Well, that’s why I actually, I actually speculated
that it may have been one of those situations where you feel like you’re a heart attack
and they do tests and the doctor comes out and says, you didn’t have a heart attack.
I think that this was a panic attack. The what makes me skeptical about that is it seems
that Trump lacks the personality traits that would get him to actually panic because that
requires sort of some self awareness of the situation you’re in. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think it’s a very good point.
In fact, part of his personality disorder is a lack of anxiety over being caught or
punished or, uh, that the psychopaths don’t seem to weigh the probable risks and consequences
of their behavior. Uh, you know, all these people in jail, like, you know, uh, what did
they think they were? How did they think they were even going to get away with it? You know,
but somehow they thought they were, so I agree with you about that, but the walls are really
closing in on him. And this is one of the reasons actually that we should be very, very
concerned right now. I mean, not, we predicted this actually a couple of years ago and even
more strongly a year ago that this day of reckoning would come, uh, that someday he
would be held accountable. We thought it was going to be for the Mueller investigation. It was, we didn’t know that the Ukraine situation
was even going to emerge. We couldn’t see that in our crystal ball, but that once the
ass hit the fan, I don’t know what you can say, what words we can say on your platform,
uh, that, that, that he was going to de compensate, uh, and that he would become even more dangerous
because first of all, the situation is his cognitive decline has continued. He now, however,
has created a situation where there are no safety on the gun. There are no adults in
the white house anymore. And this is what these dictators do. They purge the government
and the bureaucracy of anyone who wasn’t slavish Lee loyal and, and sycophantic. Uh, so, uh,
not only in his administration, but there we found out today that they, he’s fired a
third of the diplomats, you know, I mean, he’s getting rid of anyone, not only the ones
in Ukraine that he tried to get rid of, uh, but anyone who could possibly stand in his
way or say no, or offer a conflicting opinion or provide expertise or information which
contradicts his crazy conspiracy theories. All those people have been removed. And now
he’s in a state of maximum agitation. As we said in our last op-ed and USA today, we think
he may be even having a bit of a hypomanic episode and that would kind of fit with the
chest pain thing, meaning his whole energy level is now at a frantic pace. Um, and if
you look at his activities, they’re becoming even more erratic. I think most recently very
grammatically was this withdrawal from Syria. Um, where he literally had a conversation
with the head of Turkey, president of Turkey, and then pick up the phone and told the troops
to start withdrawing without discussing it. He didn’t even discuss it with one member
of his own administration. No. Something like that. Could that just be
that he’s ignorant and doesn’t care what anyone else thinks, but not necessarily of a, of
a cognitive concern? Well, I think here the, it’s really the psychiatric
point I was making here is that there’s something impulsive and accelerated. So there’s something
manic about his decision making now. And actually if you read the descriptions of his tweets,
this is when they impeachment. I’m saying just started heating up. People were commenting
on the tweets being manic. That was one of the words people kept using to describe them
because he was like tweeting like 30 40 50 times a day, you know, with this sort of screed
that was completely off the hook. But in other words, that’s not abnormal for him. But now
he was doing it more and more quickly and more and more rapidly and more free and more
frequently so that there’s kind of a way in which the water is boiling. Now the boiling
point has kind of, it’s boiling over is what I’m saying in terms of the, so some of the policy stuff
can be sort of a proxy to his cognitive state, but last time we talked, we had all of these
examples of the slurring, which we don’t know if this may be related to sort of a some kind
of drug abuse or cognitive decline. There was him repeating that he wants to find the
oranges of an investigation and he repeated it twice and you could see that his, he seemed
to have some recognition that he was saying something that didn’t make sense but sort
of unable to correct it. We had him getting off of air force one and wandering away from
his car and having to be brought back. Something similar happened in Argentina when he wandered
off stage after being introduced and shaking hands with the president. Are we seeing more
of those things or are we mostly looking at sort of through policy as a proxy? No, actually in honor of your show, I, I made
a little sheet of the latest signs of cognitive decline. First of all, I just want to point
out this excellent book from anonymous. Summarize it very well. When they say he stumbles, he
slurs, he gets confused, he can’t synthesize information, he can’t remember anything. And
this doesn’t just happen sometimes. So that’s a summary. Um, but most recently in the past
few months, um, for example, when he was speaking to the troops, this is just a, a month ago,
he said, our armed forces have always lived by the words of Douglas MacArthur. You notice
in both those cases, he didn’t finish the word. Uh, this is really a phonetic paraphilia
that we really only see and people who are either drunk or developing Alzheimer’s, but
know there’s an organic brain problem, either temporary or permanent, but in this case it’s
not temporary. So it can’t be that he’s drunk. Okay. So let’s look at that. That’s actually
very interesting. So this is a symptom which you as, as a mental health professional can
say. We, there is a limited number of explanations for that particular symptom. And for example,
the alleged dyslexia that some suspect Trump has, that would not be an a possible explanation
for that linguistic phenomena. No, because people who I have dyslexia, as
a matter of fact, uh, I don’t, um, miss cause look at some of these other examples. Instead
of stock market, he said sock rocket. Uh, he couldn’t pronounce obsolete or applicable.
Uh, he said the, at NATO just this week that U S has the most powerful, powerful military
in the world. He wants to say powerful. Yup. B said power role. He couldn’t finish the
word. So this kind of yes. So to get to your point that we have a determined psychiatry,
that something can be past the pneumonic. Meaning if someone has that symptom, we know
what the illness is. Cause there’s, as you say, a limited number of possibilities. There’s
a very limited number possibilities for this kind of breakdown and the ability to speak
English. And it’s not just pronunciation, it’s also comprehension. Uh, so he’s showing
a, a loss in his ability to comprehend and the complexity of his sentences and his ability
to stay on topic without going off on a irrelevancy, on his repetitions. Repetition is actually a sign of, of cognitive
decline. And he keeps saying the same thing over and over again. His use of superlatives,
everything’s the greatest or the worst or [inaudible]. There’s no nuance in the words.
And also his memory. Remember he said his father was born in Germany when it was his
grandfather that was born in Germany. Well, he recently said to the president of Italy
who we call president mozzarella instead of mozzarella. Okay. And said, we’ve been allies
since ancient Rome. I mean, he’s getting time to, you know, American didn’t exist, you know,
that America was built with native Americans during the time of ancient Rome. So in others
he’s getting all these times confused and places confused and names confused. It’s,
it’s, it’s more of a generic breakdown. Even his, even his balance is poor. Um, there’s
a generic with Alzheimer’s, there’s a breakdown in all of the cognitive functions, all of
them. So is that actually, you mentioned the, so,
so let me bring up one other element related to the Walter Reed visit. Let’s, let’s imagine
that we just don’t know what the Walter Reed visit was about. One of the things that was
observed afterwards was that he was getting off of air force, one from the low stairs
rather than the high stairs. And that, uh, at least one time when getting off of the
high stairs, he had a Senator walking right next to him, really kind of keeping a butt
up against the railing. Again, propping him up was the sort of colloquial way that it
was described. Does that tell us anything in terms of how it might connect with what
you’re discussing? Yes. Loss of balance goes with it because
again, all of the mental functions are deteriorating, including the ability to maneuver physically
in space, you know, uh, so his, uh, his, um, stumbling verbally in a stumbling physically
or part of the same generic overall deterioration. What would be the test that would determine
whether something is going on here? Well, we’ve been calling for two years now
for him to get a neuro-psychological a battery of tests. It’s a, it’s a battery of tests
that evaluate people psycho, their cognitive functioning and a whole bunch of levels with
a whole bunch of different tasks. You know what, we actually asked, uh, Rodney Rodney
Jackson, his doctor, we actually sent a letter with 70 doctors asking him to give him, uh,
the MOCA, which he did, but any past the MOCA, which he said proved he was a stable genius
and more intelligent than all past presidents, which is a little bit like saying, uh, you
know, I passed a first grade exam and that makes me Mensa, you know, it’s, it’s a most
kindergarteners, just to give you a sense, can pass the mocha. It’s things like, can
you identify a camel? Can you repeat three words backwards? Yeah. But are they the smart kindergartners? No, the ones who couldn’t do it, we would
hold them back. So, so, so it’s true he hadn’t reached that level of dementia. But you know,
one of the people, uh, in the anonymous books of the Trump is sort of like going to the
white house. It’s kind of like going to a nursing home and your uncle is running around
the courtyard without pants. I mean that was, in other words, he’s not at the point where
he is so demented that uh, he can’t remember his own name or what recognize his own children,
but he thinks his father was born in Germany and he can’t pronounce words and he doesn’t
remember things they can’t understand. So he’s given, this is a guy who used to go to
Ivy league schools, even if his dad got him and he still went there and now he’s really
fallen so far from his own baseline. And that’s one of the things that we use to determine
cognitive decline is different people have different abilities, right? But we have to
compare someone to their own baseline. You look at speeches he made in the 80s he sounds
extremely articulate and bright even though he sounds like a jerk and you compare him
to now and you see that he’s like lost like 30 or 40 IQ points. What did you make? I don’t know if you saw
this, but [inaudible] during the first impeachment hearings, he went out and did one of the helicopter
press conference where he had notes about what he reportedly told Gordon Sunland during
a phone call. And he seemed very erratic yelling, I want nothing. No quit, you know, the very
strange kind of kind of like strained and repeating over and over again was, was there
anything about that episode that either coincides with or goes against the impression that you’re
getting from his other behavior? Well, first of all, the fact that he has to
have carry notes, right? Written in Sharpie to say no quid pro quo. That’s, it’s almost
like the mocha that’s four words forward. He can remember four words without having
to refer to notes. Uh, so I think that’s already telling you something about his cognitive
level of, of, of functioning. And the other thing I just want to say is he just saying
this is bizarre stuff. You know, like he was saying yesterday that, you know, the next
president, they’ll impeach him if he goes to the refrigerator and gets oranges. Right? But isn’t, that just, isn’t some of
this just Trump’s personality? You know, that’s where it’s really instructive
to look at the videos of him in the 80s, because really he was literally the same jerk then
that he is now, because a personality disorder is a lifetime disorder. You have it from the
time you’re young and you have it till you die. Um, and in his case, it’s actually gotten
worse. We’ve talked about this in terms of his malignant narcissism, the one malignant
narcissist game power, their grandiosity and their paranoia as well as their sadism and
their anti so becomes inflamed because now they feel empowered. Like he says, now I’m
president, I can do whatever I want, you know? And so, uh, he’s, his personality disorder
actually has gotten worse, but his cognitive functioning, uh, is much worse than it was
when he was still a jerk as a young man. Uh, so we really have now a series of forces that
are making him maximally dangerous right now. You know, we were all kind of getting a laugh
out of how the world leaders were laughing at him, at NATO. And it makes him laughing
at him. But remember Barack Obama laughing at him that, you know, go to him to run for
president. This is a guy who gets even, okay. So now he wants to get even with these guys
at NATO, our allies, you know, and he’s already been antagonistic, but I’m saying he feels
like he’s on his back. He feels weakened. He feels attacked. And so his response is
to do something more aggressive, more destructive, to feel more powerful. And so all of the things
that are making him a wounded animal are making him more dangerous now than he ever was. We’ve been speaking with Dr. John Gardner,
founder of duty to warn co editor of rocket man, nuclear madness, and the mind of Donald
Trump. He taught in the department of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins medical center for nearly
30 years. Always. So great to have you on. Yeah. Thank you.

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  1. It seems to me that Trump doesn’t finish the sentence frequently but it appears he purposely cuts the air off, he shuts it down as if the last word was a period not a word. He does it at every speech.

  2. Great discussion. I would share it if it were accompanied by an image of the professor instead of an image of 45s hideous visage.

  3. Surprised?? NOT!!! MANY people are being mind-controlled these days – & MOST people I know are heavily medicated via pharmaceuticals. THAT is where this is coming from!!!!

  4. They say he’s a counter puncher & always gets even. As a Canadian, terrifies me that he could strike us for Trudeau making fun of him. Let’s hope he’ll forget & concentrate on impeachment. 🇨🇦

  5. Sorry But I'm a cardiac RN for 40 years….& I have no idea where this guy got that number that 90% of chest pain is a panic attack. That's wrong. And saying it may cause people to ignore chest pain, thinking it's probably emotional. Panic attacks are rare, & are limited to people with mental disorders. Of course, those are the only patients this guy sees, as he's a psychiatrist. In the ER…we see a lot of angina, CHF exacerbation……& plenty of legit MI's. Back to trump, he's a 70 year old overweight man who has a high stress job, anger control, obviously high blood pressure. My guess is that he had a TIA….when he went to Walter Reed.HE HAS OBVIOUS BRAIN DEFICITS. But I totally agree that he's into full blown ALZ…that also explains the uncontrollable anger.

  6. Why question Trumps IQ. He must be a genius to get that many dumbasses to vote for him. Oh wait that's right the other choice was Hillary.

  7. If you watch Melania when she is with him, she treats him just like a An Onset Dementia Patient. even holding his hand. When we know she hates him. I personally don’t think it’s ONSET, and I think he is Degrading more and more everyday. SHAME a on the Republican Party. He is DANGEROUS to the 🌎

  8. I'm no Trump fan, in fact I can't stand the man. But it's obvious these two gentlemen are not objective regarding Trump. So one can not draw a conclusion for this interview. The fact is Trump will probably win the next presidential election, and god help us all.

  9. I don’t care if Trump is crazy or not BECAUSE my 401k has been the best since the moon landing and he is bringing jobs back to the us. He is trying to keep our country safe from illegal immigration with the wall and he will be re elected

  10. I heard a different theory..he had a severe case of his ass being chapped and raw from lindsay and gym kissing it too much

  11. You are not Trump Supporters, are you! All of these defaming terms were used on Hillary during the campaign. Many valid points were presented in both cases. You guys both such the shit out of the main stream media's ass and regurgitate fluently.

  12. You have not interviewed this person in depth. Your DSM is rife with diagnoses to the extent that it is ridiculous. To me, it is unprofessional to offer a psychiatric diagnosis of ANYONE without in depth face to face conversations – you are just another quack with an RX pad and a meaningless DSM. You don't think so? Where is the science behind the manual? There is none – it is quackery, plain and simple.

  13. So, let me get this straight: there's no one home in trump's brain, so to speak, so who's actually running the country? Moscow mitch? Rather like dick cheney running the country instead of bush! Actually, instead of 'running' ruining is more appropo!

  14. 1. I loathe Trump.
    2. What Trump said about Rome was this:

    “The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years, to ancient Rome …” (from Snopes)

    3. Garnter lied about it in the video He claimed Trump said "W'eve been allies since ancient Rome". That discredits everything he says.

  15. None of this analysis by a professional of the crazy dangerous maniac in charge of our nation is Funny!!! I’m very put off by the doctor’s laughter. IT IS NOT FUCKING FUNNY — WE NEED TO BE VERY AFRAID 😱

  16. He could just be ignorant, unhealthy, and uncoordinated. Not even trying to be insulting. If he doesn’t know any better and hasn’t been exercising…😬🤷🏽‍♀️It just makes it worse that he clearly doesn’t care whatever the problem is.

  17. Trump is not the problem, the problem is the 50 plus percentage of the population that voted for him and is keeping him in office. I'm convinced that eventually, all these people will look back on Trump and say, "What the hell were we thinking?!"

  18. If that strange and secretive trip to Walter Reed had anything to do with chest pain, with his dietary habits and his obvious personality disorders, I'd have to take a guess that it may have been a case of intense gastroesophageal reflux disease or GERD which symptoms can also mimic the chest pains of a heart attack.

  19. 🤨Soooo ,…Basically,…We Got a Maniac Running the 🌎And He knows 🌎Secrets 🤨😞😑🤨🗣Really 😂😂😂

  20. 😞Ion know 😞He say some unbelievable ish but what I’m hearing is ,He been faking his IQ and he gets away with it cause he’s been privileged his whole life 🤨And he gets off on Giving Out Paybacks 😂😂😂And The Government Got on the List in the 80’s😂😂😂😬Think about and tell How I’m Right😂😂😂🗣Law Suit he Lost but insist he still won🤨Got him Making A Mockery Of The Constitution And Ten Commandments😂😂😂😂

  21. Yes he says crazy stuff but have you listened to Joe Biden? I don’t know if the videos of Biden are real because it’s so bizarre.

  22. MAGA! h and my 401K is doing fabulous, though the dead leader of ISIS is not Can't stand loser professors who don't know what they are talking about. TDS at it's finest.

  23. Very unprofessional of anyone to make any kind of diagnosis of someone/anyone regardless of who they are, without seeing them in person. Making these calls without knowing personal information of ones health, personal thoughts, things inside their head. There is much more to it other than behavior on a public platform. True professionals are well aware that public figures and even people living normal lives wear masks depending on who they have to be and where they have to go. Being a job, home life, kids football games, friends at happy hour. You can't judge a person by a mental health standard by one mask, especially a public one. The most fake any person wears. That's speaking for all people, you and I included. I would question if this man even has a medical degree, cause properly trained medical professionals know they can't make true diagnoses without all the information. And if this man happens to be bias then this diagnoses is politically charged and holds no weight. And what does this say to the mental health community in our Country for a so-called professional to get on a public flat form and speak of their condition as if someone who has their condition can't function like a normal human being in the workplace then be in position to tell them to go get a job and they are okay to work with the rest of the public. I understand he is a so-called professor but his man teaches people to do that job, as he does this. Hypomanic truly isn't that big of a deal, it's rather functional. "Hypo" as in slow. It doesn't get you on the disability list as it would classify you as a bi-polar 2 as that marks the difference between them. And Social Security would walk you out the door with sacks of denial letters weather you had a lawyer or not simply because it said hypo and not hyper. I feel this is a sad attempt to stab the President at the sake of the mental health community with a growing suicide rate and you should be ashamed of yourself.

  24. First, if I may, let me correct your title. The Dr. Says hyper — not hypo. It is spot on from the perspective of this layman.

  25. …it's simple really…..paranoid people tend to follow the confident ones……the ultimate confident individuals are called "primary psychopaths" ……not their fault…born that way….they are the poster child of narcissism….they have NO conscience. Some doctors consider them non-human. They lack empathy. It's all about them. They always feel superior to us with our stupid concerns for other's feelings. They seek status at all cost, and they do NOT care who gets hurt between them and their GREED. Sound like anyone YOU MAY KNOW? Look up Dr. Robert Hare's Revised Psychopathy List. 20 symptoms of a psychopath. They show up frequently in politicians, church leaders and military leaders. THEY LIVE FOR POWER! I grew up with one of these MONSTERS. They can be simply tested and I feel it is criminal for our medical institutions to have quietly ALLOWED A PSYCHOPATH TO HAVE THE USE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS ON MY FUCKING PLANET! Thanks you fucking overpaid asshole psychiatrists! Thanks for being so helpful in all this SHIT. Estimated 1/25 born "humans" are born primary psychopaths…Easily detected now with modern scientific methods. He is there to MUDDY THE FUCKING WATERS FOR THE REAL CRIMES THE RICH ARE FOISTING ON THE PUBLIC. WAKE THE FUCK UP! THE WATER IS BOILING FROGS!!!!!!!!!!!

  26. If he has lost 30 or 40 IQ points since the 80s he would be close to legally retarded (IQ < 70)! He only ever had an IQ in the mid to low 110s (about the same as Sarah Palin for comparison).

  27. Is this yet another thing that will go not being discussed by the Republicans? They would rather die than say anything against the dear leader and suffer a barrage of Mean Tweets! is this really happening? yes. 3 years in, yes it's really happening. just reported that Trump's many golf trips in 3 years surpasses Obama's in 8 years. but still not a peep from his supporters.

  28. The hospital visit was probably a panic attack. He has enough reason to be afraid, and panic attacks make you feel like you are dying.

  29. Anxiety causes chest pain all the time. So does gas. So does arthritis of the rib cage (costochrondritis). Most cases of chest pain are NOT a heart attack, but it has to be checked out, especially if you insist on an Emergency Department visit.

  30. EVERYONE experiences fear and anxiety. The fight-or-flight response is hard wired into the brain. Someone like Trump would see expressing those feelings as weakness, and would bottle them up until he got a panic attack.

  31. I think Trump was constipated and it was causing him severe acid reflux, which really can feel like a knife under the ribs. I’m not even joking. When you’re overweight and eat his diet, you’re having digestive problems.

  32. He drinks 12 cans of aspartame cola everyday.That shit causes all kinds of cognitive problems. Plus he's not really a politician, he's a reality TV clown.

  33. MANY years prior to rumps’ even running for office, he was seriously despised by every sane, rational person in NYC….where he resided and where everyone knew him to be an ignorant, low class, low-IQ, rip-off artist who became famous only because of his daddy’s money (that he inherited), and who got off on hiring “local” workers and not paying them for services provided. REPEATEDLY. Despite being extremely wealthy. Personally, I doubt “dementia” explains this jerk’s personal issues….he has ALWAYS exhibited narcissism, callousness towards others, superiority complex, etc., etc. For all we know, he’s a big coke head…and, btw, he definitely was a friend of the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein and a known misogynistic asshat. Dementia, at this point, is a weak excuse for rump’s lack of empathy for, quite literally, everyone else on the planet. He’s just a big sh*thead. Enough. I never want to hear his disgusting name again, augggghhhh.

  34. Trump is so very dangerously mentally ill that our country and even other countries are in grave danger. He has never been a nice guy, but now his illness is making America Insane. When I was charge nurse in a locked unit is a psychiatric hospital I learned how deadly such people can be. WHY is it that so many Americans don't even believe in mental illness? It can happen to anyone!

  35. Trump sits in a chair like he's trying to drop a deuce and when he folds his arms he looks like he's trying to stifle a huge fart. Either way he always looks like he's full of shit.

  36. Trump is a drama queen I hope he dies of cancer in his ass.☺ Not only that he is nuts but he is an ignoramus!!

  37. You are an idiot if you believe everything you see on TV or the internet. My God man. Are you seriously attempting to diagnosis a person by what you see in the media? You should lose your license to practice if you haven't already.

  38. If Trumps lost 30 to 40 I Q points that puts him at – 50 bruh! He’s struggling & he keeps mumbling about a red button and a “football”, as per Fox News reports (satire), God help us all, the petty doggy is cornered and liable to lash out like a petulant child

  39. I hope that everyone is smart enough to know that you are just a nasty schoolyard child David. Are you an employed sociopath?

  40. That Senator who was with him was a doctor before he became a Senator, that's why he was sent with him to Afghanistan.

  41. This President is losing his mind day by day. I keep asking why is super genius still in this position of power? He's dangerous.

  42. When he can't finish the word it's possibly linked to him having a dry mouth, a side-effect of certain types of medications.
    Eg Drugs for his mental health problems is very well known.

  43. Well we the people all around the world do not need a psychiatrist to know that this President is senile,deranged and dangerous,but you Yanks deserve this man as your commander in chief because of your nature as a nation that specializes in killing bullying and stealing.May he be re-elected to make you the laughable people of the planet.

  44. Great interview and I believe everything that was said is true with Donald Trump. I met him several times in the 1980’s and he was not the person that he presents himself to be now. Yes, he was always a narcissist and a braggart but not dangerous like he is now because he was not in a position of extreme power as he is now.

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